Knives.com | KnivesMaker | KnivesAuction
 KnivesForum Forum Index KnivesForum
A cutting edge meeting point!
Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages

Log inLog in  RegisterRegister


Profile   Search  Memberlist   FAQ  Usergroups
Hope your ancesters didn't but fake swords
Post new topic   Reply to topic     KnivesForum Forum Index -> Dark Age
    View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Macabee
Site Admin


Joined: 23 Jan 2006
Posts: 240
Location: Columbus, Ohio

PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:29 am    Post subject: Hope your ancesters didn't but fake swords Reply with quote

1,000 years on, perils of fake Viking swords are revealed

Maev Kennedy The Guardian, Saturday 27 December 2008 Article history

The difference between a fake Viking sword and the real thing would only have emerged in the heat of battle. Photograph: PA

It must have been an appalling moment when a Viking realised he had paid two cows for a fake designer sword; a clash of blade on blade in battle would have led to his sword, still sharp enough to slice through bone, shattering like glass.

"You really didn't want to have that happen," said Dr Alan Williams, an archaeometallurgist and consultant to the Wallace Collection, the London museum which has one of the best assemblies of ancient weapons in the world. He and Tony Fry, a senior researcher at the National Physical Laboratory in Teddington, south-west London, have solved a riddle that the Viking swordsmiths may have sensed but didn't quite understand.

Some Viking swords were among the best ever made, still fearsome weapons after a millennium. The legendary swords found at Viking sites across northern Europe bear the maker's name, Ulfberht, in raised letters at the hilt end. Puzzlingly, so do the worst ones, found in fragments on battle sites or in graves.

The Vikings would have found it impossible to tell the difference when they bought a newly forged sword: both would have looked identical, and had razor sharp blades. The difference would have only emerged in use, often fatally.

Williams began to test the Ulfberht blades when a private collector brought one into the Wallace, and found they varied wildly. The tests at the NPL have proved that the inferior swords were forged in northern Europe from locally worked iron. But the genuine ones were made from ingots of crucible steel, which the Vikings brought back from furnaces thousands of miles away in modern Afghanistan and Iran. The tests at Teddington proved the genuine Ulfberht swords had a phenomenally high carbon content, three times that of the fakes, and half again that of modern carbon steel.

The contemporary fake Ulfberhts used the best northern metal working techniques, which hardened the metal by quenching - plunging the red-hot blade into cold water. It enabled them to give the blade a keen edge, but made it fatally brittle.

In the 11th century the Russians blocked the trade route, and the supply of crucible steel ended. Evidence is emerging that the swords from burials are the fakes, or the work of less prestigious makers. The genuine Ulfberhts have mostly been found in rivers. "I don't think these were ritual offerings," Williams said. "They are mostly from rivers near settlement sites, and I think what you have almost certainly is some poor chap staggering home drunk, falling into the river and losing his sword. An expensive mistake."

Their work has also proved that many of the Ulfberht swords in some of the most famous weapons collections in the world are fakes. The Wallace's is the real McCoy, but the one brought in by the private collector which started the hunt turned out to be fake.

_________________
Macabee
http://www.macabeeknives.com

There are no mistakes in bladesmithing only design modifications. Now that doesn't mean my designs haven't been redesigned straight into the trashcan.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address
Daithi
User
User


Joined: 23 Jan 2006
Posts: 310
Location: www.knives.com

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fascinating, thanks Macabee. By crucible steel I assume they mean Wootz, what do you think ? Interesting that even the Vikings were using the stuff.

Last edited by Daithi on Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:16 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Macabee
Site Admin


Joined: 23 Jan 2006
Posts: 240
Location: Columbus, Ohio

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is my thinking as well but I'm also not sure that all crucible steel in that period is wootz. I just don't know enough of 10th century crucible steels to be able to say.
_________________
Macabee
http://www.macabeeknives.com

There are no mistakes in bladesmithing only design modifications. Now that doesn't mean my designs haven't been redesigned straight into the trashcan.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address
Daithi
User
User


Joined: 23 Jan 2006
Posts: 310
Location: www.knives.com

PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point, I can see there might have been more than one flavor of crucible steel other than the stuff containing vanadium from India that we know of today as Wootz. Thanks for that, very educational !
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic     KnivesForum Forum Index -> Dark Age All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You can attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum



Home | FAQ | Search | User Groups | Register |

phpBB